waterlilybarb

OK, so no one has started a proper thread yet to chat about the new season.  Here it is.

What did you think of episode 1...and the revelation that Colby was a triple agent?  I knew he wasn't a baddie, but I hadn't guessed that.  I guess I didn't think he was bright enough, but I underestimated him.  It will be interesting to see how his character is accepted by the team.  We now know he's decided to stay, but will they ever fully trust him?

Don is his usual self, but the team now knows of his relationship with Liz.  Should prove for some interesting office dynamics.

Charlie and Amita seem to be doing well, and Charlie's even branching out more in the academic field.

Larry is back, which I love, and it looks as if he and Megan are finished as a couple.  He's such a great character though...I really missed his presence last season.

Last, but not least, is Alan...our favourite dad.  Looks like he's heading back to school.  It's not been mentioned in the show yet, but I wonder if he and Millie are still "hot & heavy".

Please, let me know what you think of the season, so far.  I'm waiting to have someone to talk to about this show besides my Mum.

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waterlilybarb

The reason I said it looks like Larry and Megan were done as a couple is because when someone, I think it was Alan or Charlie, asked how they were doing, Larry said fine seeing as they were spending all of their time apart.  Prior to that comment I thought they were still fine, though, even if they're not a couple I imagine they will remain friends.  Maybe after what they've both been through in their personal lives, neither of them is in a position to be in a romantic relationship, at the moment.  I also think Larry hinted that he would be leaving the monestary soon.  Didn't he remark that the monks were tiring of him, or something to that effect?

You're right about David.  He seems to have taken Colby's secrecy the hardest and, I imagine, it will be some time before he fully trusts Colby again.  Seeing him return the "woolly bugger" was nice.  It was a step in the right direction.  I think, as you said, it's especially hard for him because they were partners, but also because they were friends.  It will be interesting to see how the writers repair this friendship.

With Alan back in school, maybe we'll see a bit more of him.  I love Judd Hirsch, and don't think they've used his character to the full.  I really liked when he was helping Charlie, last season, with one of the cases he was working on for the FBI.  With him at CalSci now, maybe he'll stick his oar in a little more.  He's also a very smart man.

I'm also waiting to see if something happens with Megan.  I know the actress was out on maternity leave last season, but her character was doing something for the DOJ in Washington, and Megan hasn't been the same since her return.  Hopefully they'll have an episode that addresses the reason for the change in her demeanor.

As for guest stars, I'd love if they brought Lou Diamond Phillips back again.  The storylines with him are always good.  I'd like to see Bill Nye again too.  He does make science fun.

waterlilybarb

I really enjoyed this episode.  It's kind of nice that Colby & David aren't picking up right where they left off.  That wouldn't be realistic considering the circumstances.  But it's great to see them beginning to gel again and to rebuild their friendship.  It also provided some humour, seeing them make "rookie" mistakes by their miscommunications.

I'm delighted that Larry & Megan are still going to be a couple...they're an odd match, but seem a good fit for one another.  I'm also glad that Larry recognizes the need to re-enter the world and that the time for introspection has reached an end.  I'm sure he'll continue to be an introspective character, but I miss his interactions with the outside world.  It will be nice to have that again.  It was also nice to see him helping Alan to fit in with the students by freezing the pumpkin to drop off the building.  Boys will be boys no matter what their age.

I wasn't worried about Charlie & Amita, because I assumed the reason she was hesitant about introducing him to her father was because he wasn't Indian.  I have many Asian friends...especially Indian and Chinese...and I know this can be a big issue for the parents.  I loved her idea of introducing their fathers, and I agree that it will be fun to see the two dads interacting.  I also really like the way their (C & A) relationship is growing.  We might actually see one of he Eppes men tie the knot.  A little estrogen around the house would definitely stir things up in a good way.  And since, by all accounts, Alan and his wife had a great marriage I think that bodes well for Charlie & Amida.  Don, on the other hand, seems to still be searching for something.  He has a great girlfriend, but most of the women he's been involved with seem nice.  I think he needs to understand himself better before he'll be ready to settle down, and I don't know if he would marry another agent, especially a field agent.  He's a worrier and that might be too much stress for him to handle.

I agree that this case wasn't overly interesting and their wasn't much action.  I did like the reappearance of Gary Walker who, if I'm not mistaken, has been promoted to Captain...I'm pretty sure Charlie referred to his rank.  It's nice to see a guy who's a bit like Don and how they deal differently with their subordinates.  As Don said, he still wants to be their friend.  As for Don's (and apparently Gary's) decision to let the guy walk, while his crime is a felony, I understand the reasoning behind the decision.  I don't know how realistic it is, but it's definitely revealing about Don's personality.  Whether or not I agree with that decision, I'm not sure.  Because of that guy they were able to apprehend a dangerous criminal.  I also think that because he, our "Robin Hood", had been an agent factored into their decision.

All in all, it was a great episode.  Sometimes the quieter ones are better.  They reveal more about our main characters which only makes us like them more, or at least understand them better.

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I'm happy that tonight is Friday night and there's a new episode of Numb3rs for me to curl up and watch.  Now that Men In Trees is also on Friday nights...different times here in Canada, Friday has become a great night for television.  Little things like that just make my day!

I'm so happy that there are some other fans of the show around.  Most of my friends have different TV taste than I do, other than my Mum, so it's great to have a place to talk about what's going on in the show, with the characters and all that fun stuff.   Catch you later with some chat about the episode.  

waterlilybarb

OK, Primacy aired and it was good!  Did anyone peg Amita as a gamer?  And her avatar was totally quick@$$.  Charlie's book in the top 100?  Would you use math to find a mate?  Interesting in theory, but how would a lay person actually put that into practice?

Don having a lunch "appointment"...with his father! lol  Not the act, just the fact that he told everyone he had an appointment.   I hope he starts listening to some of his father's advice.  Maybe HE needs to read Charlie's book!

All in all, a very enjoyable episode.  I loved that Charlie was so protective of Amita, in a loving, non-controlling way.  And Larry re-entering the real world.  It really makes for good television.

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Tabu aired last night.  It was a good episode, especially in how it revealed more about Megan's character and the issues she has with her father.  Nice to see that she and Larry are getting closer again...they're a good match.

Don, on the other hand, seems inclined to self-destruct.  While I agree he made the right decision regarding Liz, and for the right reasons, he doesn't seem to know what he wants in a relationship or life in general.  He's really quite a sad character.  I hope they have something good happen to him, even if it's small.  We don't want him becoming pathetic, now, do we?

As for the story, it was interesting, though I guessed early on who was the instigator of the kidnapping.  What I liked best about it, as I said, was that it enabled them to delve more into Megan's character.  All in all, a good episode, but not my favourite.

waterlilybarb

I loved Don's quote too.  

I got a kick out of the comic book nerdiness.  To find out that David is a comic book guy was surprising.  Alan and Larry weren't as big a surprise.

The guy doing the interviews had me suspicious of him for a while.  I was so glad to hear the responses of Charlie's friends and family...and then to hear Don's quote when they read the proof was really nice.

As for Christopher Lloyd, I loved the comment Alan made, something like, "I can't picture you as a hippie."  When they were on Taxi together, Lloyd played a hippie...so it was a neat little reference for fans.  As for him not aging well, he hasn't done too badly.  He just looks like an older version of himself.

waterlilybarb

Re: Charlie & Amita's living situation, I don't think she's actually moved in yet.  If she has, you're right, there's no sign of her in the house.

I really enjoyed both of the last 2 episodes.  Chinese Box was interesting to see Charlie's frustration at his inability to make his ideas understood.  This is so often the case, especially with those whose genius lies in mathematics or science.  Their gift is not with words, and their ideas are so complex it's hard for those who don't "speak their language" to grasp.  I liked how it showed that even when someone has proven themselves in the past, if they can't make their ideas understood people won't respond.  That's unfortunate, since I think past performance should play a large part in people's ability to trust someone.

As for the new episode, I, too, liked the examination of the brother dynamic...and especially the feeling an older brother has to protect his younger sibling.  I understand your frustration with Don, Arielle.  He should recognize Charlie is a grown man, able to decide for himself what is and isn't an acceptable risk, but it's not always easy to change how you see a younger sibling, especially one you've had the role of protecting.

waterlilybarb

I watched it last night, and it was a tough one.  What an awful scenario.  Like you said, it's important to always have your guard up...too bad.

Charlie & Amita are funny.  He's still running game theory to see if their living together, with Alan in the house, is a good idea, and it seems like she feels he's not quite ready for it.  I'm not sure if she means them living together, or having his Dad move out.  I really like how supportive they are of one another in both their personal and professional life.  He is so pleased for her and proud that Larry would ask her to collaborate on his project, and she worried that he would be hurt for not being asked.  Very sweet!

As for the actual case, I felt bad for Megan.  It must be tough to be a woman in that kind of job because, in general, we are more emotional creatures.  That case hit a little close to home for her, but it was nice to see her lean on Larry...and have the courage to ask for help in the first place.  Not always easy to do, especially for someone with that type of job.

The end was funny, with Alan waking Don up on his day to sleep in.  I think he's going to get his own place soon.  Last week, he was upset that Charlie was making improvements to the house, and now it seems he feels like there isn't enough space for the 2 of them.  I think it would be good for both of them.  Charlie would grow up a bit more, and Alan would have more of his own life.  He's already gone back to school.  I think he's ready for a change, and you KNOW Don won't let him move in with him.

waterlilybarb

I just got to watch this week's episode - thankfully I taped it, so it was easier on my eyes. It was another good one!

I'm too tired to talk about it now, but really liked the song that ended the show. Here it is, in case anyone else liked it too:

The song is Rise by Will Dailey.

waterlilybarb

I felt so bad for Charlie too when Amita's parents invited that other guy to dinner.  It was amusing that Amita didn't give it a second thought because she knew the guy was gay - but no one else did.   I liked how Alan told Charlie that now that Amita's parents have met and approved of Charlie, he'll have to marry her.  Charlie looked like a deer in the headlights.

As for Megan, Diane Farr is pregnant with twins, and she just had a baby about a year or so ago, so I'm not that surprised that she's leaving.  I'm bummed too.  I think they'll have to bring in someone else,as she fills a unique role on the team.

Episode 4x18 -  When Worlds Collide  

I just watched the season finale and WOW!  I did not expect things to go down like they did.

As has been speculated, Megan resigned.  But Larry implied that their relationship would not be over, so we may see her now & then next season.

I'm really intrigued about how next season will go since the way this episode ended left things very much up in the air.  Don and Charlie's relationship will no doubt have a different dynamic - hopefully in a good way.  I also hope that Don & Robin will stay together and have their relationship fleshed out a bit next season.  He seems ready for it now, and it would be nice for him to have more of a life outside of work.

waterlilybarb

I noticed the belly last week and googled Diane Farr.  I don't think there's a problem between the actors, I just think with all that was happening in the story there wasn't room for a goodbye between them.  Plus, we know how bad Don (the character) is with big changes like that, so it's possible they'll tie some of that into next season.

I'm figuring it won't take to long next season for Charlie to get his clearance back, unless they hire Amita to take his place.  There are some things that only he can do, so maybe the FBI will need his expertise so much they'll give him clearance again - maybe not as high as before, but enough for him to carry on his work.  If not, maybe we'll see him and Amita planning their wedding - though, for that show, that would be pretty boring (as much as I love a happy couple).

waterlilybarb

Well, Charlie has had  his security clearance revoked, which not only affects his work with the FBI but much of what he works on, since he was also a consultant for the NSA.  

As for Charlie & Amita, they are getting closer all the time.  Maybe this change in his work life will give them an opportunity to grow closer.  Either that, or they'll realize Charlie identifies himself too much by his job and it will cause problems.  

Megan has left the show, so I imagine we'll have someone new next season.

Also, 18 episodes was pretty good,considering there was the writer's strike.

waterlilybarb

There's a difference though.  Colby was working undercover as a triple agent, which is why he go his job back.

Charlie, on the other hand, acted out of conscience, but what he did was illegal.  I don't think they'll be able to explain it away in one episode.  I do think Charlie will eventually get some of his security clearance back, but to get the level he had before in a short time wouldn't be realistic.  And even though it is a TV show, they do strive to keep the scenarios as realistic as possible.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

waterlilybarb

Last season opened with with Colby being revealed as a triple agent.  It was a very good episode.

As for the new season, I'm glad they aren't lingering with regards to Charlie getting his security clearance back.  I loved how Larry got him to figure out where to find Don without letting him know he was doing it.   I do miss Megan, but understand why the actress chose to leave.  I hope the new addition (Nicky, I think?) proves to be an interesting character.  I'm just happy it's back because I did miss that show, especially since I'm currently unable to watch anything on the site it's nice to have some of the shows I love back on TV.

waterlilybarb

What I liked most about this episode is how it looks like things are being set in motion to cause some major changes for Don.  The character played by Keith Carradine, the guy Charlie has to go through to get his clearance back, really seems more concerned with getting Don out of the high profile area of the Bureau than he is with Charlie's case - though they are intertwined.  I think it will prove to be an interesting multi-episode arc.

The actual storyline in this episode didn't do a whole lot for me, though it did give us a little more insight into Nicky's personality and what kind of agent she is.  I loved how David & Colby kept calling her the "new guy".

I also liked how Amita double-checked with Charlie about her involvement with the case to make sure he was OK with it.  I think it showed how committed they are to one another and their relationship, as well as a mutual respect.  Situations like that are never easy in a relationship, but even less so when the awkwardness is ignored.

waterlilybarb

Awesome episode!  Charlie & Don are such good brothers, and Alan does a pretty good job at the whole "Dad" thing.  That McGowan is a total butt, but I think everyone did well.  

BTW, WHAT was Colby thinking?!

waterlilybarb

I totally agree about Don telling Robin.  I have a feeling he took to heart what his Dad said.   Definitely a better character episode than case.

waterlilybarb

I agree.  This was an interesting case, and I enjoyed Henry Winkler in the role.  The ending was definitely a surprise, but I'm glad McGowan finally saw that Don was not trying to overstep the line, but rather just wanted the line to stop moving.  I'm glad Charlie got his clearance back so early in the season because drawing that storyline out too long would have been a bit momotonous, though I will say, I did enjoy Larry's analogy - it was an interesting and different perspective than Charlie's.

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I know for a long time after "Happy Days" he mainly worked behind the camera, directing.  He's a very good actor and I always enjoy seeing him do guest spots - he's very versatile.  He's also usually in Adam Sandler movies.