Subject: The Borgias Season 1-3 General Discussion Thread (Spoilers) [Print This Page] Author: codebreaker Time: 3-23-2011 17:23 Subject: The Borgias Season 1-3 General Discussion Thread (Spoilers)
Over a decade in the making, The Showtime Original Series The Borgias is the sordid saga of one of the most remarkable and legendary families in history. Set in 15th century Italy at the height of the Renaissance, The Borgias chronicles the corrupt rise of patriarch Rodrigo Borgia (Academy Award® winner Jeremy Irons) to the papacy, where he proceeds to commit every sin in the book to amass and retain power, influence and enormous wealth for himself and his family. The unbounded audacity of this original crime family went on to inspire Machiavelli's The Prince and Mario Puzo's The Godfather. Don't miss a minute of the lavish, sexy, scandalous drama from the creative mind of Academy Award® winner Neil Jordan. Showtime
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[ Last edited by spratt89 at 3-9-2015 13:48 ] Author: bala Time: 3-24-2011 04:34 Subject: Reply 1#1 codebreaker's post
Well this really was long pilot 95 minutes but it really make Roman catholic church look a little less honourable i mean Rodrigo Borgia really did everything he could to become the Pope and it look like his family is just as bad as him. I probably going to give this show a miss. Author: codebreaker Time: 3-25-2011 12:01 Subject: Reply 2#2 bala's post
This was an epic pilot and with the Cardinal's dropping like flies Borgia was on the quick track to become the Pope but that portrait caused some problems and elevating his sons into high office didn't go down well Author: bala Time: 3-25-2011 12:05 Subject: Reply 3#3 codebreaker's post
I still think his daughter is one to watch she is sweet and innocent but she turn evil with that women guidance she could end up killing them all if that how series ends Author: codebreaker Time: 3-25-2011 12:18 Subject: Reply 4#4 bala's post
Lucrezia will probable be a hand full and with Giulia the ravishing temptress they will be double the trouble Author: bala Time: 3-25-2011 12:19 Subject: Reply 5#5 codebreaker's post
Grassing up her father was amusing Author: codebreaker Time: 4-12-2011 07:44 Subject: 1x03 The Moor
The dead bodies around the dining table was sick and Lucrezia asking what language the unicorn speaks i thought was amusing but her father Rodrigo seeking funds through a profitable marriage to her was interesting Author: bala Time: 4-17-2011 11:53 Subject: Reply 7#7 codebreaker's post
Yes those dead bodies were awful but why have a king who deaf surely his son could taken over when cardinal came but that assignation in pool went horrible wrong which was nice to see he was lucky spot the guy.
I felt bad for the sultan prince who visited he was such a nice guy 40,000 for his death was rather sad but i did find it amusing when he confessed he want to convert to Christianity . Author: codebreaker Time: 4-18-2011 09:59 Subject: 1x04 Lucrezia's Wedding
Who would of thought going to confession could be life threatening and that was a bold move inviting Lucrezia's mother against the pope's wishes but the marriage is of to a terrible start which might be OK for her father but not her brother Author: bala Time: 4-25-2011 05:12 Subject: Reply 9#9 codebreaker's post
This was crazy not invite her mother but i am glad she came anywhere against his wishes what these show first game of throne where newly married couple get a rough night and now this it does look like thing worse 200 years ago for most new brides. Author: bala Time: 4-25-2011 06:18 Subject: The Borgias in Love
Lucrezia marriage seem to be horrible but i have say she one hell of resourceful women seduce Paolo, a handsome stable boy into making her husband have a riding accident was brilliant. How many times does she have to have a bath in one episode?.
I was impressed the son did kill that guy who insulted his mother himself rather getting his slave to do it Author: bala Time: 4-25-2011 08:05 Subject: Emmanuelle Chriqui on The Borgias
That's one lucky boy Author: spratt89 Time: 4-25-2011 15:49
Showtime Renews Drama Series 'The Borgias' For Second Season
The Borgias will be back. Showtime today renewed the costume drama starring Jeremy Irons for a second season with a 10-episode order. The series, from creator Neil Jordan, debuted earlier this month with 1.06 million viewers, the pay cable network's largest premiere audience for a drama series in seven years. (The cumed audience for the pilot across multiple platforms has reached 3.71 million). As it moved from 9 PM to 10 PM after the premiere, the original airing ratings dipped but the averages over multiple runs have remained consistent and, season-to-date, The Borgias, set in Renaissance Italy, is pacing ahead of the highest-rated season of Showtime's previous period drama, The Tudors. Showtime had already commissioned additional scripts, which are being written by Jordan. Production of Season 2 will begin in the summer for a 2012 premiere. "Neil Jordan's cleverly crafted tale of a 15th century papal family has proven quickly addictive," Showtime's entertainment president David Nevins said. "It's a tribute to his incredible skills as an auteur and to the extraordinary cast led by Jeremy Irons that this show fits so seamlessly into our line-up of quality shows."
Oscar-winner Irons stars as Rodrigo Borgia, the cunning, manipulative patriarch of The Borgia family who builds an empire by bribing, buying and muscling his way into the papacy. Along the way, the family commits virtually every sin in the book and invents more than a few of their own. Jordan will continue to serve as executive producer, writer and will again direct the first two episodes. Accompanying Jordan this season is writer and director David Leland (Band of Brothers) who will write several episodes and also direct two episodes. The series will again be produced as a Canadian-Irish-Hungarian Treaty co-production by DreamWorks TV and Robert Zemeckis' ImageMovers banner. The future of the other two Showtime original series currently on the air, comedies Nurse Jackie and United States of Tara, is yet to be determined. Both have been soft in the ratings, but for now, Nurse Jackie, the stronger performer of the two, looks good, while it seems unlikely that Tara will be renewed.
SourceAuthor: codebreaker Time: 4-29-2011 13:29 Subject: Reply 11#11 bala's post
I'm not surprised Lucrezia had an affair with Paolo but i thought the sheep counting was amusing and the grin on her face when they reset his leg after the accident was great Author: bala Time: 5-2-2011 02:42 Subject: The French King
That wedding was a joke she thought it was older son but that it was young boy and he has no idea who his wife is really she knows how control him but how cold must you be to do brother before wedding night and than going do him straight after. . i honestly don't which gender is worse, men or women but women are more devious than men.Author: codebreaker Time: 5-6-2011 01:42 Subject: Reply 15#15 bala's post
Juan has a nasty temper and seducing his sister-in-law after the arranged marrying of Rodrigo youngest son Joffre to Princess Sancia of Naples all for an alliance was ridiculous Author: bala Time: 5-6-2011 01:55 Subject: Reply 16#16 codebreaker's post
I wonder what he will do if he finds out since he has no power over his older brother Author: codebreaker Time: 5-6-2011 02:01 Subject: Reply 17#17 bala's post
Don't know but there is bound to be a baby in the future Author: bala Time: 5-9-2011 05:21 Subject: Death on a Pale Horse
I have to say putting water on the floor was rather amusing but French Army are rather impressive . So does that mean stable hand boy is the father Author: codebreaker Time: 5-14-2011 04:42 Subject: Reply 19#19 bala's post
The water on the floor was ingenious but if she's pregnant by the stable boy she will have to sleep with her husband soon to convince him he's the father Author: bala Time: 5-14-2011 04:44 Subject: Reply 20#20 codebreaker's post
I am sure she figure out a way Author: bala Time: 5-16-2011 09:19 Subject: The Art of War
Well those ladies really managed to convince the French king to play by their rules . She really stroked his ego and helped her family avoid a lot of blood shed but the cardinal thinking he going be Jesus Christ is ridiculousAuthor: codebreaker Time: 5-20-2011 13:35 Subject: Reply 22#22 bala's post
Wow that canon battle was gruesome but Lucrezia convincing her brother and King Charles to do what she wanted was clever Author: bala Time: 5-23-2011 02:33 Subject: Nessuno (Nobody)
Well talking about getting a divorce where you have to prove the man was impotent in front all those people and have him demonstrate it was awful, if only he was smart check whether she was pregnant but he didn't know and her having the baby was fast ? Didn't she just get pregnant 2 episode ago?. Author: codebreaker Time: 5-26-2011 14:25 Subject: Reply 24#24 bala's post
He will have a job living that humiliation down but how could he of performed in front of that audience while they laughed at him and Lucrezia safely giving birth to her son does seem quick Author: bala Time: 5-26-2011 22:23 Subject: Reply 25#25 codebreaker's post
He wasn't a nice man but no man deserve that ? Author: codebreaker Time: 8-6-2011 01:24
This has now been added to Realplayer site Author: bala Time: 1-27-2012 10:40 Subject: The original crime family returns April 8th at 10PM
Author: codebreaker Time: 3-27-2012 12:58 Subject: The Borgias Season 2 General Discussion (Spoilers)
Season 2 Premieres April 08, 2012
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Author: bala Time: 4-4-2012 07:31 Subject: The Borgia Bull
Well this what i liked as soon as the episode start there is a poisoning and a lot backstabbing going on but how he figured out she was a women dressed as a man was good but having his mistress take advantage of her was rather disturbing. Is it wrong nothing shock me any more on this show Author: bala Time: 4-12-2012 08:52 Subject: Paolo
Well it was nice of them bring back this character but it was predictable what would happen to him Author: bala Time: 4-12-2012 08:53 Subject: The Beautiful Deception
Wow talk about payback she is one of my favourite character you don't mess with her and she really take eye for a eye seriously. What a bluff with the cannons look on the popes face was priceless Author: codebreaker Time: 4-16-2012 12:35 Subject: Reply 4#4 bala's post
How quick he drown the boy in the well was a surprise and the close call with the woman in the bath was amusing, Victoria dressed as a guy was impressive Author: codebreaker Time: 4-16-2012 13:44 Subject: Reply 5#5 bala's post
Paolo's reflection in the fountain would of been nice if he wasn't almost killed by Cesare but it was a hell of a risk to see is son and cost him his life Author: codebreaker Time: 4-16-2012 15:06 Subject: Reply 6#6 bala's post
Leaving the suicide note was a stupid mistake considering he didn't know how to wright and proved he was murdered, Lucrezia's hunger strike that threatens the life of her infant son seemed cruel but she got Paolo a christian burial and i loved her revenge it's just a shame she was on top and not him, the fake cannons were impressive Author: bala Time: 5-1-2012 08:21 Subject: Stray Dogs
Leaving his daughter in charge of being Pope was rather amusing but she really put her power to good use Author: bala Time: 5-7-2012 11:49 Subject: The Choice
Well the women finding where the Pope's did their business offering to pay them for information was amusing. These women are a lot more sneaky than i give them credit for but having the church fall down on him while he was doing his service suggest some divine intervention Author: codebreaker Time: 5-16-2012 08:16
Lucrezia's cookery lesson was amusing and she got the message across about the water Author: codebreaker Time: 5-20-2012 00:06 Subject: 2x05 The Choice
The bolt of lightening destroying the church did seem like divine intervention and the ladies offering to clean up the house of ill repute in return for information was sneaky Author: codebreaker Time: 5-20-2012 01:03 Subject: 2x06 Day of Ashes
Lucrezia turning down one guy and then his dog was amusing and looks like she has her eye on the brother of the next political marriage Author: bala Time: 5-20-2012 01:49 Subject: Reply 15#15 codebreaker's post
It's funny how women are becoming better rounded characters this season Author: waterlilybarb Time: 5-20-2012 11:52
I haven't watched the show - really not my kind of thing, but seeing the promos piqued my interest. I never knew (or didn't remember) that any Borgia was a pope. I did a little reading on the family - not nice people at all, according to historians.Author: codebreaker Time: 6-6-2012 13:59 Subject: 2x07 The Siege at Forli
I found it amusing that Rodrigo thought the cigar was a turd and what a bizarre thing to do before the battle to show her lady bits saying she has the parts to have ten more sons Author: codebreaker Time: 6-6-2012 14:49 Subject: 2x08 Truth and Lies
I'm not surprised Lucrezia took a lover, the younger brother of her intended after she was told because she's a Borgia she can have both Author: codebreaker Time: 6-11-2012 19:20
Author: codebreaker Time: 6-23-2012 02:47 Subject: 2x09 World of Wonders
Cesare face when he agreed to walk through fire after he challenge him was amusing and I would of liked to see him follow him but Juan's erratic behaviour endangering his sister's child and then raping the dancer was bound to have repercussions Author: bala Time: 6-23-2012 03:13 Subject: Reply 21#21 codebreaker's post
Yeah so much having that much faith in god but what a prove he's human Author: codebreaker Time: 6-23-2012 03:57 Subject: 2x10 The Confession
Lucrezia examining the new suitor before he realised who she really is was amusing especially when he said he would rather be with her think she was Lucrezia's maid and I had a felling that Cesare torture to Savonarola would come to no avail but forging his signature was predictable and what a way to end the season with the Pope being poisoned Author: bala Time: 6-23-2012 05:28 Subject: Reply 23#23 codebreaker's post
We knew it was coming Author: codebreaker Time: 1-18-2013 08:53 Subject: The Borgias Season 3 General Discussion (Spoilers)
Season 3 Premieres April 14, 2013
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Author: bala Time: 4-14-2013 02:03 Subject: The Face of Death
That was some quick think by Lucrezia using charcoal to neutralise the poison but the attempt to wipe out his whole family was very risky move but so glad guard prevented it . Author: bala Time: 4-14-2013 02:53 Subject: "The Purge
Lucrezia continue to amuse me what she did to her brother was disturbing - This was certainly cross the brother-sister line by far. . Finding out who tried to poison him was certainly a challenge but naming the other popes were a surprise. Author: codebreaker Time: 4-17-2013 02:19 Subject: 3x01 The Face of Death
What a crude way to get the charcoal down his throat and quick but risky thinking by Lucrezia considering she had only heard of it and the attack on the family so soon after was crazy Author: codebreaker Time: 4-17-2013 03:59 Subject: 3x02 The Purge
Lucrezia feelings for Cesare do seem to becoming something more than sisterly and on the verge of incest and all because he future husband wants to be pure when he marries her Author: bala Time: 4-21-2013 02:15 Subject: Siblings
Well now it certainly incest but what a way to get her attention with her wedding seating chart Author: codebreaker Time: 4-22-2013 07:26 Subject: 3x03 Siblings
The King describing his wife as a two sack wife was amusing but I didn't think she didn't look that bad and I hope Lucrezia doesn't get pregnant from sleeping with her brother Author: bala Time: 4-22-2013 07:47 Subject: Reply 14#14 codebreaker's post
I hadn't thought about her getting pregnant but i think she knows how get rid of it if she doesn't want it. She seems that type of women.Author: codebreaker Time: 4-22-2013 07:51 Subject: Reply 15#15 bala's post
What happened to the stable boys child Author: bala Time: 4-22-2013 07:57 Subject: Reply 16#16 codebreaker's post
Yes she had that because she was in love with the stable boy but i doubt she would have another child unless she convinced her new husband the baby is his.
The baby is alive last time i checked Author: codebreaker Time: 4-22-2013 08:07 Subject: Reply 17#17 bala's post
I just goggled Lucrezia and it was rumoured her bother may have been the father but I don't know if that's the one she's had or one in the future Author: codebreaker Time: 4-28-2013 04:20 Subject: 3x04 The Banquet of Chestnuts
Lucrezia and Alfonso's not consummating their marriage was bound to cause trouble but wanting proof that it has been consummated was bizarre and who would of thought the Cardinal's would indulge in an orgy Author: bala Time: 4-28-2013 05:00 Subject: Reply 19#19 codebreaker's post
Well it was very effective honey trap but the pope also getting a honey trap from his enemy was ironic . Lucrezia asking her brother to bear witness was great payback Author: codebreaker Time: 5-4-2013 15:18 Subject: 3x05 The Wolf and the Lamb
Bianca did seem to be dangerously insane with her first saying she was pregnant but I was surprised she killed herself Author: codebreaker Time: 5-13-2013 04:41 Subject: 3x06 Relics
I'm not surprised Alexander was furious when Cesare returns to Italy with a French army as he had no idea Author: codebreaker Time: 5-18-2013 04:26 Subject: 3x07 Lucrezia's Gambit
Lucrezia attempting to blackmail Prince Raphael and Prince Frederigo after the poisoning is bound to have repercussions and Cesare burning Constanzo's palace in order to contain the plague seemed over the top Author: codebreaker Time: 5-27-2013 10:58 Subject: 3x08 Tears of Blood
The tears of blood looked so fake but a clever way to get them to believe and they were lucky to survive the wrath of God and Lucrezia should of realised something was wrong but being under constant watch from the royal guard will make life awkward Author: bala Time: 5-27-2013 11:15 Subject: Reply 24#24 codebreaker's post
Well i have say it was nice to see Lucrezia get a taste of her own medicine with plotting Author: codebreaker Time: 5-27-2013 12:23 Subject: 3x09 The Gunpowder Plot
Lucrezia being imprisoned didn't last long but putting them all to sleep was impressive and the others taking their jewellery was amusing and I'm surprised it's taken Alfonso to suspect Lucrezia and her brother but who was behind buying all the sulphur was interesting Author: codebreaker Time: 6-10-2013 09:32 Subject: 3x10 The Prince
The way they laughed when he hit the white flag was amusing as they had no idea the castle was about to fall down and you can understand why Catherina didn't want to be take alive but as this was cancelled last week this was a disappointing end with Cesare killing Lucrezia husband and vows she will now be his for good Author: Milks26 Time: 8-30-2014 11:15 Subject: Reply 28#28 bala's post
Entire Series Overview
Season 1 was kinda boring but, I suffered through it because what choice did I have
Season 2 was excellent...enjoyed every minute. Oddly enough, the ratings began to slip in season 2, which is wierd because the show finally came together in that season
Season 3 was good but not as great as season 2.
The show had a great cast especially Jeremy Irons (loved that man) and François Arnaud which made the series work. It would have been nice if Neil Jordan got 4 seasons like he wanted and could've wrapped the show up with the Pope's death. Maybe, he would've dared to go a few steps further to show that after everything Giuliano della Rovere still became Pope 26 days after Alexander VI's death, and how the family lost all its power and privilege since the glue that created it was now dead.
Although, The Tudors with was good, The Borgias was a much better show with just using the actors capabilities as my only defense. But, I saw where and how Showtime could label the show as being expensive.....it was indeed. However, after watching the last few minutes of season 3 finale it left me wanting more. Another network should have picked up this series for the last hooray or maybe, Neil will find funding somewhere to make his 2 hour movie.
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. i honestly don't which gender is worse, men or women but women are more devious than men.
. So does that mean stable hand boy is the father 